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		<title>Comment on A few completed goals by Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on graduating and on completing some of your Day Zero goals! #73 is a good one...I want to find out my blood type now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on graduating and on completing some of your Day Zero goals! #73 is a good one&#8230;I want to find out my blood type now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No more thesis updates! by Angela Shetler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Shetler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4907&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Kathryn&lt;/a&gt; 
Me too, it&#039;s amazing how much pressure I feel just trying to think of one that works...even for a blog post!</description>
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Me too, it&#8217;s amazing how much pressure I feel just trying to think of one that works&#8230;even for a blog post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What a week by Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I&#039;d comment and let you know that I am a loyal blog reader and my week has definitely been un-crazy. ;) In fact, it&#039;s been one of the most boring weeks in recent memory. Congrats on defending your thesis and your upcoming graduation! I can&#039;t believe you are done with grad school (although I bet that&#039;s probably easier for me to say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d comment and let you know that I am a loyal blog reader and my week has definitely been un-crazy. <img src='http://blog.kathrynhoughton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  In fact, it&#8217;s been one of the most boring weeks in recent memory. Congrats on defending your thesis and your upcoming graduation! I can&#8217;t believe you are done with grad school (although I bet that&#8217;s probably easier for me to say).</p>
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		<title>Comment on 7 reasons why I&#8217;m a feminist by Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all cool, and I respect you for having that interpretation, but there are churches in Christianity, and believers, that use the Adam and Eve story as a basis for women&#039;s inferiority. I don&#039;t say anywhere that all Christians believe that, but historically, that has been taught as what the Bible meant, and you will find people that say you are interpreting and their belief is exactly what it means. It comes down to perspective, but there is one such perspective (more than one?) that uses the Bible as a basis for discrimination against women, just like the Bible was used to justify slavery. Humankind&#039;s reading of the words there (which differ to begin with) change over time, sure, but some things haven&#039;t changed for the majority of people.

And I think it is still prevalent. I was at a wedding maybe three summers ago where the vows said by the woman were all about supporting and obeying her husband, because that is what the Bible teaches. The words &quot;you are as inferior to him as he is to God,&quot; were used. His vows were totally different and talked about being a good leader to his wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all cool, and I respect you for having that interpretation, but there are churches in Christianity, and believers, that use the Adam and Eve story as a basis for women&#8217;s inferiority. I don&#8217;t say anywhere that all Christians believe that, but historically, that has been taught as what the Bible meant, and you will find people that say you are interpreting and their belief is exactly what it means. It comes down to perspective, but there is one such perspective (more than one?) that uses the Bible as a basis for discrimination against women, just like the Bible was used to justify slavery. Humankind&#8217;s reading of the words there (which differ to begin with) change over time, sure, but some things haven&#8217;t changed for the majority of people.</p>
<p>And I think it is still prevalent. I was at a wedding maybe three summers ago where the vows said by the woman were all about supporting and obeying her husband, because that is what the Bible teaches. The words &#8220;you are as inferior to him as he is to God,&#8221; were used. His vows were totally different and talked about being a good leader to his wife.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 7 reasons why I&#8217;m a feminist by Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She was created second&quot;

The order is irrelevant.  Biblical Christianity hinges on humans being the most important creations on earth, but they were not created first. Light, land, water, plants, sun, moon, stars, fish, birds, animals were all created before man was in Genesis 1, and nobody points to that as being proof that plants are superior to human beings.  Furthermore, there are MANY places in the Bible where God challenged the (then) cultural notion that being the firstborn had real significance.  David is a good example of this. See 1 Samuel 16 to see what I mean.

&quot;to be a companion and helper (not to be her own person).&quot;
It&#039;s true that God created Eve because Adam needed another creature like him.  Some versions use &quot;helper&quot; here, others &quot;companion&quot;... the point being that it was not good for mankind to be alone. Adam and Eve were the prototype of marriage. But how is this sexist?  I certainly would be insulted if you were to tell *me* that I was not my own person because I was a helper and a companion to my husband.  That&#039;s what a marriage is for.  In the same way, he is a companion and helper to me. Why did the concept not get mentioned before Eve came along?  There&#039;s no evidence to suggest it&#039;s indicative of anything beyond the fact that there was nothing to apply to concept to before there were two people in the world. 

&quot;Then, Eve is the reason for the downfall, representing woman’s natural capacity for sin–not man’s.  She is the temptress, and she must be punished.&quot;

Adam and Eve both broke the promise made to God, and they were both punished and cast out for it.  God did not play favorites here.

&quot;For thousands of years this story has been told by many people in such a way that clearly blame woman for man’s downfall.&quot;

I completely agree with that.  But there key part to that is the word &quot;people&quot;.</description>
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<p>The order is irrelevant.  Biblical Christianity hinges on humans being the most important creations on earth, but they were not created first. Light, land, water, plants, sun, moon, stars, fish, birds, animals were all created before man was in Genesis 1, and nobody points to that as being proof that plants are superior to human beings.  Furthermore, there are MANY places in the Bible where God challenged the (then) cultural notion that being the firstborn had real significance.  David is a good example of this. See 1 Samuel 16 to see what I mean.</p>
<p>&#8220;to be a companion and helper (not to be her own person).&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s true that God created Eve because Adam needed another creature like him.  Some versions use &#8220;helper&#8221; here, others &#8220;companion&#8221;&#8230; the point being that it was not good for mankind to be alone. Adam and Eve were the prototype of marriage. But how is this sexist?  I certainly would be insulted if you were to tell *me* that I was not my own person because I was a helper and a companion to my husband.  That&#8217;s what a marriage is for.  In the same way, he is a companion and helper to me. Why did the concept not get mentioned before Eve came along?  There&#8217;s no evidence to suggest it&#8217;s indicative of anything beyond the fact that there was nothing to apply to concept to before there were two people in the world. </p>
<p>&#8220;Then, Eve is the reason for the downfall, representing woman’s natural capacity for sin–not man’s.  She is the temptress, and she must be punished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Adam and Eve both broke the promise made to God, and they were both punished and cast out for it.  God did not play favorites here.</p>
<p>&#8220;For thousands of years this story has been told by many people in such a way that clearly blame woman for man’s downfall.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely agree with that.  But there key part to that is the word &#8220;people&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 7 reasons why I&#8217;m a feminist by Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4870&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Kathryn&lt;/a&gt; 
But that&#039;s other people reading what they want into a story, not what the Bible is saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4870" rel="nofollow">@Kathryn</a><br />
But that&#8217;s other people reading what they want into a story, not what the Bible is saying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No more thesis updates! by Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will consider sharing. I just really hate titles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will consider sharing. I just really hate titles!</p>
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		<title>Comment on No more thesis updates! by Angela Shetler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Shetler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so very exciting, congratulations! Also, I&#039;m completely curious about the title now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so very exciting, congratulations! Also, I&#8217;m completely curious about the title now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 7 reasons why I&#8217;m a feminist by Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And about that second part, it&#039;s a big deal that stuff like that happens, but I&#039;ve come a long way to the point where it&#039;s not something that affects or upsets me on a day-to-day basis. I think in most ways I&#039;m most upset that a whole roomful of people thought it was something to laugh about. But thank you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And about that second part, it&#8217;s a big deal that stuff like that happens, but I&#8217;ve come a long way to the point where it&#8217;s not something that affects or upsets me on a day-to-day basis. I think in most ways I&#8217;m most upset that a whole roomful of people thought it was something to laugh about. But thank you. <img src='http://blog.kathrynhoughton.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on 7 reasons why I&#8217;m a feminist by Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4869&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Lauren&lt;/a&gt; 

You might not personally feel that story denotes men as superior,but many people use it (and other bible references) as evidence for women&#039;s inherent inferiority and resulting servitude to men. She was created second, to be a companion  and helper (not to be her own person). Then, Eve is the reason for the downfall, representing woman&#039;s natural capacity for sin--not man&#039;s. She is the temptress, and she must be punished. For thousands of years this story has been told by many people in such a way that they clearly blame woman for man&#039;s downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4869" rel="nofollow">@Lauren</a> </p>
<p>You might not personally feel that story denotes men as superior,but many people use it (and other bible references) as evidence for women&#8217;s inherent inferiority and resulting servitude to men. She was created second, to be a companion  and helper (not to be her own person). Then, Eve is the reason for the downfall, representing woman&#8217;s natural capacity for sin&#8211;not man&#8217;s. She is the temptress, and she must be punished. For thousands of years this story has been told by many people in such a way that they clearly blame woman for man&#8217;s downfall.</p>
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